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Ephedrine and Ephedra - The Ultimate Legal Weight Loss Supplement

All About Ephedrine

By: Good Looking Pharmacist (w/ Good Looking Loser)

Although this blog post was written by a pharmacist, it is subject to our medical disclaimer and not to be considered medical advice nor the suitable replacement for advice from a physician.
Speak to your doctor before using any dietary supplements.

Forward by Good Looking Loser

I remember the day I discovered Ephedrine.

I was 18, still in high school and wandering around GNC at Montgomery Mall in my hometown (Potomac, MD.).

In the middle of the store there was a lock-and-key plastic display case that contained a few bottles of stuff I had never heard of.

Hydroxycut, Ripped Fuel and Xenadrine.

Original Ephedra Supplements

What were these things?

The GNC idiot that was on duty at the time said -

Those are so addictive and hardcore, they can kill you, that's why we keep 'em locked up!

I went home and did some research and found the issue wasn't so black or white.

They were strong products, they were highly effective supplements, used responsibly - these products were the very best legal dietary supplements for energy, fat loss and appetite suppression.

I picked up a bottle of Hydroxycut, jogged 5k every morning while watching WWF (now WWE) Wrestlemania videos (old school - Rick Martel, Demolition - Ax/Smash, Mr. Fuji, Jake 'The Snake' Roberts) and got extremely ripped. I was early to school every morning and scored a record amount of goals (31 in 16 games, as a defenseman) in Spring league hockey.
(I even won 'best body' in my high school class!)

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Obviously I didn't retain a lot of muscle. I was 18 years old, completely natural and didn't really give a damn.

What is Ephedrine?

Ephedrine is a potent stimulant, closely related to methamphetamine (don't get the wrong impression, most effective stimulants are), although possessing less profound effects. It is an alkaloid, being a sympathomimetic responsible for inducing activation of the sympathetic nervous system. Ephedrine has been used for centuries in China, and has well documented effects including use as an anti-asthmatic and decongestant. However, as you may have guessed, thanks to its powerful stimulatory and sympathomimetic effects, it is a very effective fat burner and performance aid, making it a vital part of cutting cycles.

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Uses of Ephedrine

Ephedrine has real medicinal value, being important in treating many health maladies. It can be effectively used as;

  • Anti-asthmatic[i]- Ephedrine, being a sympathomimetic, is able to cause release of epinephrine and nor-epinephrine, as well as result in relaxation of bronchial smooth muscle. Stimulation of Beta receptors, among other effects, leads to relaxation of bronchial smooth muscle.
  • Decongestant- Ephedrine, being a potent vasoconstrictor, is highly effective for treatment of nasal congestion resulting from the common cold.

Who Uses Ephedrine?

As of today, the status of Ephedrine is tightly controlled, and as such only patients who demonstrate a need for the drug will be in possession of it.

However, thanks to its potential for fat loss, bodybuilders will always use it as part of pre contest prep.

Ephedrine is also extremely effective for athletes who participate in endurance athletes since it improves respiratory capacity and lung volume.

It is also a party drug that combines exceptionally well with MDMA, GHB and even Phenibut.

How Will Ephedrine Make You Feel?

Being a stimulant, many of the effects of Ephedrine are highly sought after. Taking in a dose of Ephedrine will most likely result in;

  • You being more focused and improves concentration
  • Your heart rate will increase as the body tries to dissipate heat faster
  • Your metabolism increases (sweating, perspiration)
  • You fatigue less easily
  • Strength increases modestly via nervous system stimulation
  • Your appetite will crash as many sympathomimetics frequently cause

How Should Ephedrine Be used?

The first point to make note of in regard to Ephedrine is its half life; it is extremely short. Being between 3-6 hours, this means that at the least, this drug needs to be taken every 3-6 hours to maintain effect over the course of the day. However, a better practice is to take half the dose, at half time intervals. So, for example, a typical dose of Ephedrine is 20 mg, every 6 hours. However, a much more appropriate dose would be to take 10 mg every 3 hours. This ensures there is adequate blood levels of the drug throughout the day, and will eliminate the crashes associated with its usage. This practice can greatly improve your experience and results from usage of Ephedrine.

A typical Ephedrine cycle will last between 8-12 weeks, since receptor down regulation is inevitable. To alleviate this, you can try a Benadryl 50 mg capsule nightly before bed, as this slows down the speed and extent to which the desensitization occurs.

Good Looking Loser's Ephedrine Experience (Several Thoughts)

As I mentioned, long before I ever started using steroids - I would use an ECA stack every morning between January - March to get absolutely shredded for Spring Break and the Summer months.

I'd usually go from about 205 lbs to about 170-175 lbs (6-7%).

I looked like a male [fitness] model.

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I probably looked my best then.

Ephedrine/ECA Stacks made it fairly easy. Cardio was a breeze. My appetite was nill.

I would lose a ton of muscle because I didn't know about BCAA's or that a No Fat, No Carb, High Protein diet wasn't the best way to preserve lean mass.

Ephedrine also helped me in hockey, the focus from REAL Ephedrine is very close to ADHD medications such as Ritalin.

Talking to girls was easier too, I was always one-step ahead (somewhat like I mention for Modafinil) - the downside is during the "crash" when it sometimes gave me anxiety. I don't suggest using either compound to simply encourage pro-social behavior however.

Combined with Phenibut (upward of 3000mg - taken in increments throughout the day), it can provides for a totally awesome "God Mode" day.

The downsides from Ephedrine are typical of any strong stimulant -

  • It can mess up your sleep schedule if you take it too late. (take it first thing in the morning)
  • It can make it hard to get a lasting erection.
  • Sometimes there is a "crash" and you will get anxiety. (even if you aren't prone to anxiety)
  • You won't have much of an appetite. (this can be a good thing too)
  • It can make you sweat a lot, especially if combined with T3.
  • You may crave cigarettes.

What is The ECA Stack?

The ECA stack came into being seeking to improve upon the effects of Ephedrine alone, and boy did it deliver! The ECA stack contains, in addition to the Ephedrine (E), caffeine (C), and Aspirin (A). By taking all 3 of these drugs together, fat loss beyond what would be achieved normally is possible[ii]. The other two drugs help out by;

  • Caffeine- promotes lipolysis, prevents storage of new fat and acts as a stimulant as well
  • Aspirin- the main use of the aspirin in the cocktail is to prolong the action of the elevated sympathetic amines (such as epinephrine and norepinephrine). By preventing the breakdown of these amines, fat loss was maintained for a longer period of time.

Having used the ECA stack quite a bit, I was pleasantly surprised to find out that the side effects of the 3 taken together are in no way worse than that of Ephedrine alone.

The ECA stack can be taken 4 times daily, at a dose of 20mg Ephedrine, 200mg caffeine and 81mg [baby] aspirin.
(taking it 2 times a day is more realistic for most trainees)

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Will Ephedrine Give Me a Heart Attack?

No.

Not if you don't have a PREEXISTING heart condition and use it as directed.

If you take massive amounts of it, combine with large amounts of recreational drugs or have cardiovascular problems - you might have problems.  

Are Ephedrine and Ephedra Two Different Things?

For some reason, a lot of people do not understand the difference between Ephedra and Ephedrine.

Lets clear that up.

Ephedra, is basically the name of the plant from which Ephedrine is extracted, Ephedrine being an alkaloid. The Ephedra plant is known to the Chinese as Ma Huang.

The vast majority of dietary supplements available for purchase are “Ephedra” based; which means they have Ephedrine, just not the super-potent alkaloid.

They still work quite well in our opinion. I have no idea why people say otherwise.

ephedra-ingredientsAlthough 'Ephedra Extract' (leaves) isn't as clean or strong as 'Ephedrine'; it's not a bad alternative if you can't get Ephedrine HCL.

Legal Status of Ephedrine

Due to different laws getting passed (and later revoked) and misinformation from pencilnecks in the media/Internet forums there has been a lot of confusion about where Ephedrine stands.

The FDA approves both Ephedra and Ephedrine to be sold in the United States, but both are tightly controlled by the DEA.

- They are both legal to possess and purchase in the United States as of October 2014.

Still, some states have their own restrictions on Ephedrine sales -

Ephedrine Restrictions

* California apparently allows Ephedrine sales. (Curious George, GLL Forum)

Despite its legality, very few mainstream supplement companies are willing to sell supplements with Ephedrine HCL due to the potential for class-action lawsuits and general heat from the DEA.

It’s a shame because throwback supplements such as Twin Lab’s “Ripped Fuel”, Cytodyne’s “Xenadrine” and even Muscletech’s “Hydroxycut” were awesome.

The original 'Ultimate Orange' created by Dan Duchaine, dubbed "Tang with Ephedrine" or "Orange Crack Rock", was a favorite of so many bodybuilders.

It was very close to a 5-10mg dose of Adderral with an even more significant energy kick.

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What About the New "Ephedrine Free!" or "Just As Good As Ephedrine!" Formulas?

When Ephedrine was temporarily banned in 2003, a lot supplement companies shamelessly decided to release new Ephedrine free formulas under nearly identical names as their original product to capitalize on the brand name.

ripped fuel extremeRipped Fuel became "Ripped Fuel Extreme".

Xenadrine became "Xenadrine EFX".

Hydroxycut became "Hydroxycut HaRdCoRe".

The new names suggested that products were improved and even stronger.

In reality, green tea extract, "more caffeine" or [something else that does nothing] was substituted for Ephedrine.

Needless to say, the new Ephedrine free formulas are a complete joke compared to the ECA stacks/anything.

Since bodybuilders and athletes are well aware of this, the marketing is directed at "normal people"/total idiots without a fitness IQ -

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Are Its Derivatives Legal?

Some are, such as synephrine, while others, such as pseudoephrine and phenylephrine are moderately controlled as well. Though those two may be purchased over the counter, the purchaser is still required to sign in a register as there is a maximum allowed per week. The DEA is concerned about people making methamphetamine with the Sudafed.

vasoproAlthough Vasopro is a good product, if you plan on using it on a daily basis, you only want to get 'Ephedrine HCL' and not Ephedrine with Guaifenesin. Guaifenesin is a compound that makes your cough up a lot of mucus, helpful if you are actually sick.

So Where Can I Get Ephedrine?

Since I know I'll be asked, I'll just tell you now.

It's completely legal and there's no risk whatsoever so long as abide by the rules and don't order a ridiculous amount (intent to distribute).

"Live Lean Today" is a popular stop for both Ephedrine HCL and ECA stacks.
(not affiliate links)

If you are in a state that sells Ephedrine (see map above), you can sometimes find it at gas stations or truck stops, especially in convenience stores that are next to a major interstate. Both are popular among truckers who drive long hours.

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Comments (32)

  1. Warren G

I drink way too much coffee and Pre Workouts and thinking I might have adrenal fatigue or at least stimulant desensitization. Couple questions, is their anything that actually helps with this or is it just hype and how long should I go off...

I drink way too much coffee and Pre Workouts and thinking I might have adrenal fatigue or at least stimulant desensitization. Couple questions, is their anything that actually helps with this or is it just hype and how long should I go off caffeine for before I start a fat loss diet using this? Im at about 195-200lbs looking to cut 30 pounds within 6 months, dont care about muscle loss. Thanks bruh

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  1. Jason P.

Hey Chris,

What are your thoughts on Tea Rexx (http://www.amazon.com/B-Sports-Nutrition-Tea-Rexx/dp/B00DL50XGC). Brandon Carter, a trainer, swears by it.

Also, been curious why I can't copy and paste text from your site? Does that have...

Hey Chris,

What are your thoughts on Tea Rexx (http://www.amazon.com/B-Sports-Nutrition-Tea-Rexx/dp/B00DL50XGC). Brandon Carter, a trainer, swears by it.

Also, been curious why I can't copy and paste text from your site? Does that have something to do with your previous website issues?

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  1. Good Looking Loser    Jason P.

from the ingredients it looks more like a "softcore" fat burner. It might have the kick ECA does.
With that said - it should be useful if you alternate stims. Worth a shot.

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  1. TJ Nelson

I took Lipodrene (I think this is just an ephedra extract) that made me feel like I was on speed back in the day. Unfortunately, although it got me ripped and the best looking I ever was (I have a pic), I was too stressed out and on the verge of...

I took Lipodrene (I think this is just an ephedra extract) that made me feel like I was on speed back in the day. Unfortunately, although it got me ripped and the best looking I ever was (I have a pic), I was too stressed out and on the verge of burn out to be taking it.

I would only take 1/4 or 1/2 a pill at a time. I would take it on an empty stomach in the morning, then down some BCAAs and either run a good amount or lift weights.

Only problem was, I was selling cars at the time and was already too stressed and burnt out. The lipodrene artificially kept me going.

When I quit my car sales job after I bought a one way ticket to Thailand, I basically collapsed and didn't leave my room for 1 week. I later tested my DHEA and cortisol because I wasn't recovering from workouts and I had adrenal fatigue. Now I've finally healed my adrenals and given them proper rest.

I would just say just be careful if you are prone to burn out and sensitive to stress, and make sure you get enough rest and take care of yourself if you are taking this stuff, otherwise you could just artificially be keeping yourself going and your body will get wrecked.

On my next cut, I'd like to try this stuff out again being more careful.

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  1. Good Looking Loser    TJ Nelson

I agree with you TJ, I don't recommend stims on a daily basis.

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  1. GLLSundance

Any sites that will ship to the nanny state of CA?
Thanks!

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  1. Good Looking Loser    GLLSundance

Not sure dude, ask in the GLL forum. Someone will help you

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  1. Th0r

Yo chris the ephedrine can be kinda costly becuase on box will only last 6 days with the doses youve recommended and at 25 a box that could add up fast. could just i take just take 3 a day instead of 4 to make it last long or would you recommend...

Yo chris the ephedrine can be kinda costly becuase on box will only last 6 days with the doses youve recommended and at 25 a box that could add up fast. could just i take just take 3 a day instead of 4 to make it last long or would you recommend me doing the cut then once ive hit the wall i could start the stack and take 4 a day

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  1. Good Looking Loser    Th0r

hey - google "vasopro" that can be had for cheaper I believe

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  1. Qgla

Hi Chris, any opinions on clenbuterol? How does it fat burning effect compare to ephedrine? And its negative effects??
If you don't use steroids do you reccomend usind eff from time to time during bulking fase for its strength kick??

Thank you!

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  1. Good Looking Loser    Qgla

Hey dude - I ALWAYS forget Clen. It's decent stuff, but seems to have diminishing returns.
Clen is the better 'all day' fat burner (can only use for ~3weeks) and Ephedrine is better IN WORKOUT.

And sure - take ephedrine for pre-workout when bulking.

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  1. Chris D

Hi Chris, what would you recommend to build a good stack out of bronkaid or your opinion on bronkaid and how often to cycle

Thanks man for all the work you do and info

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  1. Greg

Fantastic article. It is going to help me greatly in getting shredded after this winter's bulk.
Could I substitute the Benadryl 50mg with this product off of amazon that has the same active ingredient?

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  1. Good Looking Loser    Greg

Yes, you can do so

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  1. way2hung

Hey Chris, i was just reading another article about the side effects of the ECA stack, and the guy said there are better alternatives with less severe side effects today, and he then cites Yohimbe, N-Methyl-ß-Phenylethylamine and EGCG, are you...

Hey Chris, i was just reading another article about the side effects of the ECA stack, and the guy said there are better alternatives with less severe side effects today, and he then cites Yohimbe, N-Methyl-ß-Phenylethylamine and EGCG, are you aware of that stuff, or what it is?

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  1. Good Looking Loser    way2hung

the compounds you listed are in most legal generic fat burners. They are pretty good. EGCG is just the compound in green tea.

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  1. Pique Dan

The benefits of Ephedrine sound great.
I think I'll give it a try.
I have already lost some weight after walking hungry in the morning and sleeping hungry after I read some of your posts.

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